In-home Consultation & System Voicing
Caution
– unless you are considering having your system voiced, this
section is long and perhaps more detailed than a casual reader would
enjoy reading.
In
addition to serving his long-time personal clients, recently Jim has
been able to help a significant number of new people – mostly
readers of Get Better Sound - in their homes, working in their rooms, voicing their systems.
The results have been consistently gratifying, not just for his clients, who can best be described as ecstatic over the improvements, but perhaps to his surprise, for Jim as well.
He
has especially appreciated the ongoing contact with these clients and
especially the fact that they really love their sound now, that they
spent far less than they would have spent to buy almost any component,
and perhaps most gratifying – that since the voicing session,
they haven’t spent a dime on any more components!
Having
received a large number of inquiries about in-home system voicing, Jim
thought this description of a typical job would be useful. But he
wouldn't exactly call this a program. Because he never knows what he may encounter. However, there are some generalities that are illustrative:
“I've
been doing these installations/voicings for years. In general, I like
to arrive the evening before the day of the job - especially if I flew
in, to give my hearing a break overnight. Depending on the time,
it’s useful to check out the site and meet with the client
that evening.
The
next day is open, meaning that it may take as few as 6-8 hours or it
may take 12 or more. For what it's worth, in the past 30 years, I've
never been able to complete a new system evaluation and voicing in less
than about 8-10 hours. I don't stop working until I know the system
would satisfy me (which will be after you are already pleased). I do
this within the context of using what you have on hand.
Also,
we'll create what I call a 'roadmap' in the manual. So you'll have an
idea of what you may want to do later, as well as what you shouldn't...
I book a flight out the next morning.
Often I will drive, if it’s a drive of perhaps six hours or less.
I
require my clients to commit the entire time to be with me when voicing
a system. So if I came on a Wednesday, you'd have to be there all day.
Often a weekend is best for my clients, and I'm willing to do that at the same price.
If
I fly, I ship in a kit of instruments/tools/recordings via FedEx
Express or Ground that I'll use, and I ask you to ship it back. The
shipping is not expensive, but you would have to cover transportation
both ways. Having insured this kit for voicing trips, I know that it's
worth (insured for) over $3,000. For you, it's like getting the use of
it without paying to rent or buy it.
Rarely,
but once in a while, an unusually difficult situation might call for
another day. Of course, I will share with you what I think needs doing
if you don't want to incur more expense at that time. If you opt to
have me stay over, most of the time, it's just a portion of the next
day, and if I can still make my return trip later that same day, then
the price for that second day is adjusted down accordingly.
But
first and most important, we would need to have a phone conversation.
From there, I can generally decide if I think it would be worth your
time and expense. Occasionally, I have to tell folks that it might not
be worth it based on certain restrictions they have.
I also recommend that folks get the Get Better Sound
manual and go through it, both to get a feel for what I think is
important, and - honestly speaking - for the feeling you get from
reading how I write. If you are uncomfortable with what I say or how I
say it, that should be a warning sign!”
The Concept
Virtually
every audiophile that Jim has ever visited (many hundreds, if not
thousands) has had a stereo system that was performing below
– usually well below – the potential for that
system in that room. This is true no matter how expensive the
components are, whether or not the listening area is a dedicated room,
or how knowledgeable the owner is reputed to be.
After
30+ years of installing and voicing systems that perform at a high
level, Jim finally realized why this phenomenon was so depressingly
true.
First,
it had been apparent that he was working with many exceptionally bright
people. People who were experts in their respective fields. But just as
we wouldn’t recommend that you hire Jim to perform an
intricate medical procedure, why would a cardiologist expect to be able
to extract all of the performance from his/her music system? Reading
magazines won’t impart the experience. Going to shows
won’t either.
It all comes down to having a reference.
The one universal comment that Jim reports hearing is that the client
simply had no idea that the resulting sound was possible. He/she
hadn’t heard it before, didn’t know if the room
would be good enough, thought they needed “better
equipment”, etc.
So
not only do his voicing clients report vastly improved sound, now they
have a reference for what is possible. It means that they can not only
become far more involved in their music and the overall listening
experience, they are now in a position to determine if a new component
truly merits the expense.
If you’re unsure of what is entailed in a voicing session,
perhaps reading the accounts below will be of assistance. Plus you can
always Contact Jim Smith for more info.
Two additional points should be emphasized.
(1) It’s
Jim’s goal to move your music system to another level of
performance and involvement without replacing one single component.
(2) The
improvement in your system should be by far the biggest
you’ve ever experienced, well beyond that obtained by
replacing any electronics or cables at any price.
The bottom line for clients
“…thought to myself that what you did was the best investment I had made for my Hi-Fi ever.”
“It
easily represented the best “bang for the buck”
that I’ve spent on my system over the years.”
Client accounts of what happened in a voicing a session
There have been some unsolicited posts on Internet Forums that describe Jim’s in-home voicing procedure.
The following is excerpted from one such account:
First
off, Jim Smith is a class act all the way and is a walking encyclopedia
of audio information. He was very professional and flexible from
planning, execution and follow up. He did not know me at all until I
gave him a phone call. If you have not bought his book yet then I would
seriously recommend buying it and if you have the ability to pay for
his on site services then I would highly recommend that as well. Jim
was able to take my system to the next level with components I already
had.
Keep in mind I am new to higher end audio so for me I needed to better
understand what "good" is supposed to sound like. I had my own
perception and felt my system was sounding great before Jim arrived.
This was Jim's first exposure to Martin Logan CLX's. He had read most
of the reviews and talked with a few other people so he had a general
idea of what to expect. Jim spent about 2.5 days with me and my system.
Outside of phone conversations and a few photos and diagrams Jim was
coming into an environment he had no experience with.
Upon arrival Jim focused solely on better understanding my environment.
He asked pertinent questions and there was no music played until he
understood the room, the components and the reasoning for certain
positions and configurations. While I had always considered my room
less than ideal, Jim thought it was just fine and not a real issue.
Jim then listened to a few tracks to determine what challenges he might
have for the next 2 days. The tracks he selects are ones he knows very
well and so he knew what to listen for. Now I was hoping I had them
setup pretty good (they sounded damn good to me and anyone else to date
I put in front of them) but the look on Jim's face and body language
told me otherwise. Jim's initial thoughts boiled down to:
- Lack of body
- Lack of tone
- Lack of depth
- Lack of emotion
- Flat sound staging
- Thin presentation
- Lack of sound staging "Wall"
- Overwhelming bass (but controlled)
- Both male and female vocals lacked warmth, texture and realism
While I did not take offense to his comments I was a bit surprised that
I was that far off. At the same time I was now excited at the prospects
of making it sound better than it already had.
Once we discussed the game plan to "fix" the system then we addressed the bass first.
…………
I
am very happy with the process and results of working with Jim. The
system sounds great and I learned a ton throughout the process. It is
good to know that I have the system sounding its best within its
current environment.
I should note that my general preference was for a bit too much bass in
my system which was destroying the details and tonality of most music.
I can now appreciate a seamless bass and additional details in the
music. I cannot even pinpoint where the bass is coming from now.
I should also note that I thought having the speakers further apart was
the solution for a wider sound stage, which is not the case. I now get
a much wider sound stage by having the speakers closer together. I now
have a continuous "Wall" of music across the soundstage.
…………
To read more detail, you should go to the original website. To save time, we suggest starting at Post #190.
Here is the link:
http://www.martinloganowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7730&page=13
Contact Jim Smith to schedule or to make any inquiries
________________________
The following is another excerpt. The first part is from the evaluation of the system:
System Evaluation
As
I promised in an earlier post, below are the results from Jim
Smith’s observations concerning my listening room and setup.
Jim really is a class act and all of the critiques he offered were
professional and honest. My wife and I enjoyed his visit to our house
immensely and felt very comfortable talking with him.
We
are confident in his ability to take our system to the next level and
to do so without buying anything new. While Jim has a lot of accolades
to his name along with a list of references from many professionals in
the business, he was very humble and patient with our questions.
I’m
sure our setup does not even come close in cost to the systems he
normally works with, but he was extremely kind in his compliments and
treated my wife and me as if we were millionaires looking to spend a
fortune.(Which we are not!)
The
intent for his coming out was by design to be an evaluation of
approximately 2 hrs.with some discussion of a future time to have him
back out if his services were needed. The only negative about this
approach was not being able to solve the issues immediately, but rather
me having to display some patience on my part and wait for our next
meeting.
Jim graciously gave me permission to post some of his critiques of my setup on this forum.
However
let me add that there would have been much more work to be done if I
had not read his book. It truly is a great value and a valuable
reference to getting better sound. Even if I could not afford
Jim’s services I would still enjoy a much more musical system
due to the advice in his manual. I’m sure others that are
more careful in their reading of his book, and follow his tips
thoroughly concerning speaker placement, can be confident they will
have a much more musical sounding system. So without further
ado…..
1. Overall sound too soft, ill defined.
2. A bit muddy - bass "wooly".
3. No deep fundamentals - no authority in the bass. Piano sounds emasculated.
4. Need to re-evaluate bass performance, based on seating, speaker
position, and - to a minor extent - separation.
5. One reason the sound is lacking may be that the bass drivers are in
opposite acoustic polarity to the screens. We'll need to simply reverse
it and see.
6. Speakers too close together (BTW - this is very rare - they are usually too far apart).
7. Too many absorptive wall treatments, sound is dead, lacking life.
8. 50-60Hz and down too low in amplitude.
9. Mid-bass peaks around 80-100 Hz.
10. Another peak around 200 Hz.
11. Another peak around 2-2.5 kHz, causing unwanted signature to string
sound, and making loud female vocals a bit "shouty".
12. Extreme top end a bit down. May need to toe in speakers very slightly to restore it.
13. Slight but pervasive "awk" coloration, probably related to the 200 Hz peak.
14. Speaker tilt may need to be addressed.
My biggest concern was with #5. I wonder if others have noticed this
issue with your Logan's. Is this by design from Martin Logan or are
both my speakers unique in this regard? Just curious. The next visit
with Jim will be in late August, and once we are finished I will post
again about the differences he made along with some new photos. This
will be a long wait for me, but I know it will be worth the wait.
Glen
The next section is excerpted from the actual voicing process:
Hifi setup
On
August 20th Jim paid me a visit and spent nearly 6 hrs. voicing my
system to the room. He already had a good idea of what to expect from a
previous visit which entailed a brief listening session several weeks
prior. There were several areas of concern that he noted in which my
setup was deficient. He addressed these areas this past Thursday and
provided me with an excellent reference point when listening to music.
Anyway on to the good stuff:
First off Jim is highly focused and goal oriented when he is working.
He does not stop to eat or drink anything until he is completely
satisfied with the sound. I tried my hardest to get him to take even a
glass of water, but to no avail, he was relentless in his goal and
continued to work straight through to the end! When he first arrived he
sat down and listened for a couple of minutes to familiarize himself
with his previous visit and compared this to his notes.
OBSERVATIONS
Upon Jim's exit I sat down and listened to multiple cd's and quickly
realized the changes that were made were much more pronounced than I
had first thought. The improvement in the bass was absolutely huge.
Never did I imagine that the Vantages' were capable of such deep bass
with well-defined definition.
I
am not saying that the bass was louder, but there were now lower
registers being played in the music that I had never noticed before.
This added a new dimension to the music that was sorely missing. Jim
had mentioned on his previous visit that there were notes missing and
this contributed to the instruments sounding emasculated. I did not
disagree with him, but since I had no reference I was not entirely sure
what he meant by this at that time. Now I know!!! It's amazing that
when the bass is right how much this adds to ones listening pleasure.
As for the soundstage, I wish I had the vocabulary to describe the
difference. There is just a certain rightness to it that you can't help
but wonder at how two speakers can do this. Of course I know there are
many others out there that have even more magic in their systems than I
do, but just to experience this in music you know backwards and
forwards is extremely satisfying. The Vantages really do just get out
of the way and play music.
Musical detail has increased along with a much livelier presentation.
My theory is that because I had the panels leaning too far forward then
this attributed to some of the details being lost or masked. I was
probably realistically listening to only the top 1/3 of the panel and
this was squashing some of the nuances that are so important to the
music. Why I had decided on that rake a few months ago is beyond me,
but it definitely opened back up when Jim used his method.
I could not be more satisfied with hiring Jim and his many years of
experience. The enjoyment that I have gotten just these past few days
has been more than worth the effort and cost. I don't know if I will
try to get that last 1% or not, but the difference he has made already
makes me a satisfied customer!!!!
Glen
To read
more detail, and there is a lot of it, you should go to the original
website. To save time, we suggest starting at Post #79 and go to at
least Post #97.
Here is the link, beginning at Post #79:
http://67.19.167.226/~tdacquis/forum/showthread.php?t=4868&page=6
Here is an example of unsolicited correspondence that Jim has received, this time from Glen – the poster above:
Jim,
I can't tell you how much more involving my system is now.
(My wife) listened to one of her favorite records last night and she
was astonished with the changes. She even sent a text message
explaining to me how she now feels more part of the music.
Thanks again and keep up the good work.
And another:
Hey Jim,
I
wanted to follow up with you since it's been about three
months when you last visited to voice my
system. This morning, like many other mornings, I
was enjoying some vinyl and thought to myself that
what you did was the best investment I had made for my Hi-Fi
ever. Thank you again for your help and providing me with
many wonderful listening sessions.
Contact Jim Smith to schedule or to make any inquiries
________________________
Below is a report on another voicing session:
My Experience with System Voicing by Jim Smith of Get Better Sound
I
won’t dwell on the mechanics and logistics of the experience,
since those are well documented elsewhere, both online in various
forums and on Jim’s own site. And the overall structure stays
pretty consistent, as I understand it, even though each situation is
unique and may call for changes in one way or another.
I
think it is fair to assume that the “general”
structure involves Jim arriving the day or evening before the primary
working day in order to spend some time getting familiar with the
existing setup—first impressions of how it sounds and lots of
questions about what the client’s goals and priorities are
with the system and why choices were made to arrive at the current
equipment and configuration and layout in the room (audio preferences,
financial restrictions, “bargain” purchases, etc.).
In other words, to what extent is the current configuration the result
of a conscious, strategic series of selective purchases and articulated
audio (or aesthetic or practical) decisions, as opposed to a discrete
set of haphazard or fairly random purchases over a period of time.
The
goal of the initial discussion is not to pass judgment or encourage
changes in equipment—Jim just wants to understand the
client’s goals and how the current setup seems to reflect
those audio objectives.
One
of Jim’s great strengths as an independent consultant is that
he is NOT pushing equipment changes or additional purchases on the
client. The task he sets for himself is to understand the audio
priorities of the client and then, within the scope of the current
equipment and practical considerations of room (size, acoustical
environment, etc.) and aesthetics (e.g. SAF), voice the system to best
effect.
The
second fairly unique characteristic and strength of Jim’s
approach lies in his own superb ability to listen to known recordings,
know what they should sound like, and then translate that knowledge
into practical suggestions regarding setup. While that sounds fairly
straight forward, I know from experience that it is FAR from as easy as
it sounds. Otherwise we could all attend a few stereo shows, listen to
a few great-sounding rooms listening to our own favorite test tracks,
and return home knowing what it should sound like and tweak till we
achieved that sound. Wish it were so.
Part
of Jim’s magic lies no doubt in his year’s of
experience as a recording engineer, dealer, and audiophile, of course.
Developing a core set of source materials with which one is intimately
familiar is part of the experience; knowing what it actually should
sound like is a step beyond just being “familiar,”
and I think that’s where Jim surpasses many others in the
field.
So
I’d say that’s the first big step in system
voicing—getting the lay of the land, as it were, using KNOWN
source materials—much of which might be accomplished on the
day or evening before the hands-on day of active voicing.
Of
course it is an iterative process, but knowing what one is hearing and
what one should be hearing is the essential prerequisite to everything
else. Having the extensive experience with a wide variety of equipment
and environments and configurations is a prerequisite to the next step:
deciding where to begin making changes in layout or positioning or
environment or any one of many other factors (in my case, we spent much
of our time on adjusting crossover parameters on my tri-amped,
multi-speaker configuration).
There’s
an efficiency of approach that’s really critical and usually
undervalued, I believe, to making improvements in a reasonably logical,
systematic, and therefore productive manner—as opposed to the
more usual process of making individual changes, often seemingly
random, over long periods of time, as I suspect most of us do on our
own, with no time constraints.
I
actually think there’s a qualitative benefit to
systematically tackling the overall voicing process in a compressed
time period. Try this, move that, listen, evaluate. Get this right
first—or at least moving in the right direction—so
that a) we confirm that we’re thinking correctly about cause
and effect and b) we’ve corrected enough in one area to begin
judging a dependent area meaningfully. Adjust the upper bass spike so
we can *hear* the lower mid-range and know what it’s doing
right or wrong. This is a system voicing PROCESS.
Never
fear, I’m confident that it won’t replace the
inevitable long-term tweaking and equipment changes to which
we’re all willing slaves. I consider it a substantially
different process, to be honest.
So
the process is not just iterative but iterative with a plan, a
strategy, and a known (to Jim, at least, since it’s his
source material being used) result—so you know when you get there!
Perhaps more than any other single feature, this is what separates
Jim’s approach from the pretenders: he goes in with a game
plan, determines a baseline (current sound) and a goal (what it should
sound like, referenced to a client’s priorities), and then
systematically works through an iterative process to get there in as
efficient a manner as possible.
In
my case, we spent maybe 4 or 5 hours in preliminary work (without
changing anything) the evening before, and then another 5 or so hours
actually voicing the following day. Your mileage may vary—I
know Jim has spent longer and I suspect shorter time on other systems.
But I also suspect that my experience was fairly typical.
It
easily represented the best “bang for the buck”
that I’ve spent on my system over the years. That’s
as glowing an endorsement as I could make and I make it willingly.
Jerry P., Wimington, DE, Dec. 5, 2009
__________________
Jim’s custom voicing service includes, but isn’t limited to, the following tools:
1/3 Octave Real Time Analyzer
Calibrated Microphone
Test Discs
Leica Disto Laser Distance Meter
Laser Levels
Custom Grid Boards
Grid Tape Measure
Woodworx Acoustic Polarity Indicator
Elfix AC Polarity Indicator
Fluke VTVM
Mark-free Marking Tape
Marking Labels
First Reflection Point System
Reference Discs from Top 185 List
Jim Smith’s experience and knowledge
This voicing kit is worth well over $3,000. You get the full benefits
of it, but you don’t have to buy it, nor do you have to learn
how to use these items (unless it interests you to so).
Contact Jim Smith to schedule or to make any inquiries
Click Here to Order
 |